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Herbie's Fat Dots

To Doug Schneider,

Your article on the affordable system with the NAD D 3020 V2 and Paradigm Monitor SE Atom speakers was very enjoyable.

You said that the speaker feet you chose were probably too expensive for the system and I have to agree with you. I have had a good experience with Herbie’s Fat Dots. They are very inexpensive [footers] and made a very sensible difference with my KEF LS50s. I’m not an experienced audiophile and therefore don’t know what are your standards for a good sound, but perhaps the Fat Dots are worth a try.

Best,
Antonio
Brazil

For me, these articles have been great in that I’ve had people write in with suggestions I hadn’t necessarily thought of before. In your case, it’s also a company I have never heard of, so I checked their website at www.herbiesaudiolab.com. With footers starting at just $3.29 each, I think their products are certainly worth looking into -- not only for me, but for others who might come across this message. Thanks for the tip! . . . Doug Schneider

Three Questions About the $1575.89 System

Hi Doug,

I really enjoyed reading your column today. Fun!

I’m kind of curious:

  • Would Blu Tack solve the footer expense and “deliver audible results”? (I’m not familiar with Blu Tack.)
  • Would the new NAD C 316BEE V2 have enough power to properly drive the Paradigms?
  • If you don’t mind me asking, what other speakers do you plan to audition for this affordable system?

I look forward to following your hi-fi journey.

Best regards,
Pete
United States

I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying the journey! I’ll answer your questions in order.

I often use Blu Tack or something similar to secure speakers to stands, which it does very well. This case, though, was different -- I needed to really get rid of the vibrations, which Blu Tack doesn’t do nearly as well as the IsoAcoustics footers. About the C 316BEE V2: I happen to have one here and plan to try it out in the system before it goes back to NAD. It does not have a built-in DAC like the D 3020 V2 does, but it does have a phono stage and, at 40Wpc into 8 ohms, a little more power to give to the speakers. I’m as curious as you are as to what the result might be. Insofar as speakers go, scheduled to replace the Paradigm Monitor SE Atoms are pairs of Paradigm Premier 100Bs and Bowers & Wilkins 606es. Neither pair has arrived yet, but I suspect they should be here this month. . . . Doug Schneider

Simaudio Moon 240i for ATC SCM11

To Philip Beaudette,

Good morning. I read your review about the Simaudio Moon 240i integrated amplifier and it made me very curious.

One question, however: Do you think that the Moon can deliver enough power to drive ATC SCM11 speakers? They say that these speakers need a lot of power. [I have a] small-to-medium-[sized] living room [and] most of the time don’t play my music very loud.

Thank you in advance for the response.

Kind regards,
Chris Eikelenstam
The Netherlands

I’ve never even heard an ATC speaker, let alone listened to the SCM11 with the Simaudio Moon 240i, so it’s impossible for me to say with certainty if the Simaudio would have enough power to drive these speakers. However, I looked at the specs for the SCM11 and also visited ATC’s website and they specifically state in the description that it has a “flat impedance curve allowing easy load for amplifiers.” Therefore, I find it a bit remarkable that they recommend an amplifier with 75W to 300W of power -- that seems like a lot (as you probably know, the 240i puts out 50Wpc into 8 ohms).

Although the SCM11’s sensitivity is a little on the low side at only 85dB/W/m, it’s not ridiculously low. The fact that the SCM11 has an 8-ohm impedance that the company claims is flat, combined with its 85dB/W/m sensitivity, I think there is a very good chance the Simaudio would have little trouble powering these speakers, especially since your room isn’t huge and you don't listen too loudly. Simaudio rates their power amplifiers honestly, so when they say it can produce 50Wpc, they are talking about real continuous power, not peak output for a short period of time.

Again, I have no experience with ATC speakers but I’m still pretty skeptical that you need a minimum of 75Wpc to drive the SCM11 speakers. If I were in your position, I would definitely consider the Simaudio 240i a possible partner for these speakers, at least based on what I’m seeing from the specifications ATC has published. Please let me know if you have any further questions. . . . Philip Beaudette

Making a Ho-Hum 6 Into Beautiful-Sounding 4

To Doug Schneider,

I belatedly found your article on the [Forte] Model 6 amplifier, and although three years have passed since you wrote it, I thought this would be worth mentioning. In case you still have the Model 6, or even if you don’t, there is a way to make silk from a sow’s ear; many of the Forte amps can be easily modified to run higher into class-A operation, or even run in it entirely. The Model 6 is basically a Model 4 with its voltage rail and bias adjusted to run in class AB, instead of the full-time class-A mode of the 4. With these easy, straightforward changes to the Model 6, it changes from a ho-hum 150Wpc unit into the highly rated jewel that people have been clambering for since it was “discovered” years ago. It becomes a beautiful sounding, inexpensive class-A amp. Rated at 50Wpc after the adjustments, but able to fully drive many speakers, the Model 4/modified Model 6 is likely to put a smile on your face every time you listen to it; I know, as I have a “modified” Model 6. I thought you might like to know.

Terry
United States

Prior to the Forte Model 6, I owned a Model 3, which was part of their previous generation of amps. It, too, was a class-AB design, but rated at 200Wpc into 8 ohms. In that same line was a 1A, which was basically the same design as the 3 but biased for pure class-A operation. Because it ran much hotter, it was rated for only 50Wpc output into 8 ohms. When I owned the Model 3 I called the company and asked if they’d reconfigure it into a 1A, but they told me they couldn’t (perhaps the truth was that they wouldn’t). When I owned the Model 6, I figured that it couldn’t be modified either, so I just sold it when I figured out I couldn’t stand its sound. But if there are any Model 6 owners still out there today, your tip will certainly be of value to them. . . . Doug Schneider

Blue Jean Cable or Anticables Instead

To Doug Schneider,

While I applaud your effort to put together a budget system, and the AudioQuest speaker cables are a budget product, it doesn’t make sense to me to spend approximately one-fifth of the budget on speaker cables.

I would think it makes more sense to buy speaker cables from Blue Jeans Cable or Anticables, for an actual purchase. Then the remaining money could go to a future sub, upgraded source, or a parallel power conditioner. Just my two cents.

Tony
United States

You make a good point! . . . Doug Schneider

Upgrade Suggestion for the $926.95 System -- IsoAcoustics Stands

To Doug Schneider,

Bravo! I love to see this kind of reporting. Entry-level hi-fi excites because of the challenge and the rewards. Little is different than matching $20k components; you are just playing at a much lower price point.

No doubt, you will hear from lots of folks who suggest different ways to assemble this system -- and I am one of them. In my experience, getting bookshelf speakers or studio monitors out of direct or near contact with the shelf (or desk) and on to IsoAcoustics stands makes a big difference in image, clarity, and perceived bass extension, whether close or farther away. You would be surprised by the difference you hear even at low volumes if you are not already familiar with these $100 stands. Even to an average listener, let alone a seasoned one, it’s not subtle. (To stay under $1k, you could back off on the speaker cables a bit.) It’s certainly worth a try. Enjoy!

Sincerely,
Brad Potthoff
United States

We’re on the same wavelength -- I was already planning to try IsoAcoustics stands as part of this journey. I’ve heard them demoed many times at shows and been impressed enough to want to try them. But I’m not going to do that before I get a turntable in, which is definitely my next step. But maybe after. Thanks for reading and please don’t hesitate to suggest anything else. . . . Doug Schneider

Reference 3A de Capo Sensitivity Discrepancies

To Doug Schneider,

I am interested in buying a pair of Reference 3A de Capo i loudspeakers to use with my Border Patrol SE300B amplifier. Reference 3A states the sensitivity as 93dB, and you did a feature on the BE model in 2014 where you provided a link to tests carried out on the speakers showing sensitivity of 86.7dB. Back in 2000, you published this Reference 3A MM de Capo sensitivity of 89dB.

I wrote to Reference 3A asking about this disparity, but so far I have not received a reply. Are you able to throw any light on the differences between the manufacturer’s claimed sensitivity and your own measurements? Any help here would be most welcome.

Regards,
Michael Lakeman
United Kingdom

I’ll start by stating this: In many cases, manufacturers publish the most optimistic sensitivity specifications they can generate. They usually don’t specify their methodology, but some publish in-room sensitivity (typically 3dB higher than anechoic sensitivity), and some appear to be publishing the maximum sensitivity instead of average sensitivity over a certain range. How do I know this? Because it occurs with most of the speakers we measure. Why do they do this? Usually, it’s to make their speaker seem compatible with more amplifiers than it is. This sort of thing happens with impedance, too -- ignoring impedance dips makes a speaker seem like an easier amplifier load than it is.

The problem with manufacturers publishing overly optimistic sensitivity figures is that it can lead to amplifier-compatibility problems, particularly with low-powered amplifiers, such as the one you have.

Insofar as the de Capo i and de Capo speakers we measured, you can see that we measured them in an anechoic chamber and used a 2.83V input (which, into 8 ohms, equals 1W). There are some SPL peaks with both models that exceed 90dB, so maybe they’re trying to use those high points for those claims. The problem is, those are simply peaks; the sensitivity at most frequencies is between 85 and 90dB. When you average a range, like we do (300Hz to 3kHz), you get much more realistic figures, which is what we publish and stand by. We feel ours are also the ones you should use to gauge the amplifier power you need.

As a result, because of the limited power-output of your amplifier and the only-average sensitivity of the speakers you are looking at, you have to exercise some caution before going forward with a purchase. Otherwise, you might overdrive your amplifier, which may damage not only the amplifier itself, but also the speakers. . . . Doug Schneider

A Subwoofer for the Muraudio SP1s?

To Doug Schneider,

Are you trying any subwoofer(s) during your review of the Muraudio SP1s? I was curious how subs might integrate with those speakers as they have drivers radiating in different directions and patterns.

Thanks,
G.C.
United States

I won’t be trying a subwoofer with the Muraudio SP1s, not that someone couldn’t try to integrate one or more if they really want to. Whenever I review a speaker, or any other component for that matter, I don’t add anything extra to the mix. My goal with any review is to describe the product as supplied -- and only the product.

To your point about differing directions and patterns, that’s worth addressing. When you get down into the lowest frequencies of the audioband, where subwoofers operate, the soundwaves are more or less omnidirectional in a room. As a result, how the SP1’s midrange-woofers are oriented shouldn’t have any effect on how well a pair will blend with one or more subwoofers should someone go that route. . . . Doug Schneider

Integrated for Dynaudio Contour 30 Speakers

To Philip Beaudette,

I just read your Simaudio Moon 600i integrated amp review. [The 600i] seems nothing short of amazing.

I would like your professional advice. I am actively looking for an integrated amp for my Dynaudio Contour 30s. I like music a little loud, from classical to techno -- I listen to everything.

This amp seems a little out of my price range, even used, but I would like your recommendations, say under $5000 retail. My first choice was Anthem’s STR Integrated, but I’ve read a lot of bashing of this amp at Stereonet; many have stated that by looking at this component’s insides, it is impossible to be [capable of] 400Wpc at 4 ohms. I love the STR’s cosmetics: very clean and modern looking -- that display looks really cool.

The Hegel H190 is another under consideration. It also has rave reviews.

Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
S. Kim
United States

I’ve never heard either the Anthem STR Integrated or the Hegel H190, so that makes a solid recommendation impossible. However, I will tell you that I have reviewed integrated amplifiers from both of these companies (the 225 from Anthem and the H360 from Hegel) and, based on the performance of these products, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that both of the models you are considering could be excellent choices to partner with your Dynaudio Contour 30s. I realize your speakers have a 4-ohm impedance, so you’ll need an amplifier comfortable with that load. Both of the products you're considering come from companies that build powerful amplification; they aren’t known to exaggerate their specifications so they look better on paper than they perform in real life. I realize you have some concern about the Anthem STR based on things you’ve read online, but if I can offer one piece of advice it’s simply that you should ignore what you’ve read and do the research yourself.

Ideally, you’ll be able to listen to each of them in person to determine which one you like better, preferably using your own system. I do think you’ve made two excellent choices, so I hope you will pursue investigating further. I doubt you could make a mistake with either, but when you do make a decision, write back and let me know what you have learned -- and maybe even bought.

Please let me know if you have any more questions. . . . .Philip Beaudette

Tannoys Tonally Off

To Doug Schneider,

I recently purchased a brand-new pair of Tannoy DC10A speakers. Originally, I was quite impressed with the sound, but at times I find the sound quite edgy and the vocals off by quite a bit. Leonard Cohen lost the raspiness in his voice and Koko Taylor sounds like a man.

The speakers are driven by an Audiolab 8000C preamplifier and 8000P amplifier. The Tannoys are replacing an old pair of B&W 803 S2 speakers; the Tannoys are clearer, more detailed, and less coloured, but it seems that the sound is off. Quite often the sound varies as well, from normal, detailed, and clear, to edgy and hollow.

I am wondering if I bought the wrong speakers. Do I need to replace my amps as well? Will the sound improve once the speakers are run in? I read your review of the 10As several times and am at a loss of what to do. If you have time for a quick comment I would very much appreciate it.

Thanks and regards,
Matt
Canada

When voices sound off in the way that you described Cohen’s and Taylor’s, that leads me to believe you’re hearing severe frequency-response aberrations, which will affect the overall tonal balance. This is something no change in amplification is likely to correct, since almost every solid-state preamplifier and amplifier is tonally neutral. I also have no reason to believe that your 8000P has any trouble driving the DC10As, since the pair doesn’t present a load that’s too tough. As a result, don’t change your amplifier!

Instead, I suggest you work with speaker placement. As our measurements of the DC10A show, its on- and off-axis frequency-response curves aren’t that flat -- there are significant peaks and valleys that, ideally, shouldn’t really be there. What’s more, some of them are right in the range of male and female vocals. As a result, the DC10A doesn’t have an inherently neutral sound. I could hear some of that non-neutrality in my room, but nothing like what you described -- voices and musical instruments still sounded natural enough. However, if something about the placement of the speakers in your room is causing the peaks and valleys to worsen, or some other anomaly to occur, then that can be the culprit with what you are hearing.

I first suggest trying to move the speakers further away and closer to you, as well as putting them wider apart and closer together, all to see if those movements improve anything. Moving the speakers around like that should have the biggest impact on the sound. If you can find a better-sounding position for the speakers, then play with toe-in and toe-out (i.e., pointing the speakers’ drivers less or more towards you), since that can also have an effect. Finally, make sure you are sitting high enough so that your ears are at about the same level as the tweeters, since the DC10A has a coaxial driver and the tweeter height is the optimum listening axis. Finally, please do write back and tell me if any of what I suggested helps. . . . Doug Schneider

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